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keefe007
08-14-2007, 02:29 PM
Does anyone know how to get Frontpage extensions or Dav working after custombuild?

Thanks!

smtalk
08-14-2007, 03:14 PM
For frontpage (apache 1.3):


Apache 1.3 related:
./build frontpage_ext
./build mod_frontpage #dso depreciated


mod_dav is included with Apache 2.x by default, so, you don't need to install it.

keefe007
08-15-2007, 12:03 AM
Hmm, my customers are reporting that they can't connect anymore with Frontpage now that I'm on apache 2.

nobaloney
08-16-2007, 11:40 AM
My recollection is that you can't have both DAV and FrontPage on the same server.

Jeff

keefe007
08-16-2007, 06:31 PM
I used custombuild and now I have apache 2.0 with dav but frontpage-like functionality is not working.

Is there a way to fix this?

nobaloney
08-17-2007, 10:58 AM
Did you see my post immediately above yours? I believe you cannot have both; you have to choose between DAV and FPX support.

FrontPage has been discontinued by Microsoft; they don't even have copies anywhere for installation; the only reason DirectAdmin can still offer it is because JBMC (the developers of DirectAdmin) already have a copy. Only one company was ever licensed to develop and make available FrontPage Extensions for Apache, and that licenses has been terminated by Microsoft.

Jeff

keefe007
08-17-2007, 01:05 PM
I did see this. I only have dav installed because the custombuild script removed frontpage extensions. What I'm wondering is how I can get the frontpage-like features of dav working, ie: publishing from Frontpage.

nobaloney
08-17-2007, 02:16 PM
custombuild doesn't support frontpage extensions. Can you go back to installing by customapache? I believe there are some posts on how to do it on these forums.

Jeff

jw00dy
08-30-2007, 11:43 PM
Jeff,

His question is valid.

IF Apache 2.2 supports DAV (WebDav) then there should be a way to configure it so when connecting with frontpage (the desktop html publishing software) it works.

Frontpage (the desktop software) has an option to connect to a WebDav server.

I'm with him, I need to figure out how this work and how to configure it.

nobaloney
08-31-2007, 11:03 AM
Okay, if my statements and yours, and the posters question, are all valid, then he should simply be able to configure FrontPage to connect to his WebDav server.

There aren't going to be any changes to FrontPage Extensions. I don't know anything about DAV except that Martynas says it's installed with Apache2 by default. If that's true, and if what you write is true, then why can't you configure FrontPage to connect? If all the above is true, then this really isn't a DirectAdmin problem. If it's not true, then we have to figure out what's not true, and add what we have to, if it's possible to add anything.

So the first step is: Is Martynas right? Does apache support DAV by default.

If not, then the next step is to add support. If so, or after adding support, the next step is to test it using a copy of FrontPage with DAV support.

If I'm missing a step, please explain :) .

Jeff

smtalk
08-31-2007, 11:16 AM
jlasman, the problem is that mod_dav support is installed by default, but DirectAdmin still doesn't have a feature to "install DAV" as it has to install "FrontPage extenstions", so, for now user has to configure everything by himself, and that's not good. John said before 3-4 months that he is going to implement DAV to DirectAdmin, but we still don't have it...

jw00dy
09-03-2007, 10:37 PM
Thanks Martynas, Hopefully we'll see something soon.

Do you know of a good how to so I can get working on this?

smtalk
09-04-2007, 02:03 AM
If you're good in linux, you can just "modify" these how-to's to fit your own needs:
http://en.opensuse.org/Apache_Howto_WebDAV
http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/285

jw00dy
09-04-2007, 11:21 PM
Thanks, I tried both + about 4 others that I found and none seemed to help. The biggest problem is I'm not familiar with Debian or Suse, so translating most of it to CentOS was the biggest problem. Not to mention DA's way of doing things added to the confusion.

Bottom line is I'm affraid it's over my head at this point.

Any word on DA's plans to implement it?

mikef1
09-09-2007, 07:33 PM
I don't think it is enabled by default, I dont see mod_dav in my loaded modules.
I did find this post http://www.directadmin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3368 from Dec 04 with instructions on enabling webdav.

Is this still the way to setup webdav with apache2?

Having some official DA instructions on setting it up would be great.

jw00dy
09-09-2007, 11:10 PM
couldn't agree more. I've tried that link as well + read a ton on the net. I've gotten it close, but not quite right.

I asked John about it, and he said it should work, but doesn't have support built into the DA templates for it yet.

I suppose I'm going to have to go back to apache 1.3 until this will work.

donkeyKICK
11-26-2007, 08:16 AM
I can't go to custom build until this is resolved. I am still running custom apache because I have many users who like to connect and use the publishing feature of FrontPage extensions. I read that WebDav will work too, but since DA doesn't have a way to set that up, and I can't seem to figure out how to do it with CentOS, I wait.

Any word when WebDav will be supported within DA? The replacement for FrontPage (SharePoint Designer) uses either FrontPage extensions or WebDav, so it isn't like it is going away. I would really like to see this implemented as it is the only thing holding me back.

Thanks!

donkeyKICK
12-23-2007, 01:56 PM
Just wondering if this has been addressed? I'd really like to upgrade to custombuild, but I can't lose the FrontPage / WebDAV functionality. If I understand correctly, it is some sort of problem with the skin.

cyberneticos
01-24-2008, 12:38 PM
Hi guys,

Maybe I haven't undertood this thread, but is there currently any way to have frontpage working with apache2 and DA in any way shape or form ??

Thanks

donkeyKICK
01-24-2008, 02:35 PM
As I understand it, it is supported at a command line sorta way. I don't really know how. I thought they were going to put something in the panel, but I don't think they did it yet.

nobaloney
01-28-2008, 08:11 AM
FrontPage and FrontPage extensions are no longer supported by Microsoft. They've pulled permission to do new downloads, and it's been removed from all legal distribution sites. The company that integrated it to work with Linux is no longer allowed to work on it.

Don't hold your breath.

:(

Jeff

donkeyKICK
01-28-2008, 08:44 AM
What about WebDav? The new SharePoint Designer (product that replaced FrontPage) uses either WebDav or FrontPage extensions.


jlasman, the problem is that mod_dav support is installed by default, but DirectAdmin still doesn't have a feature to "install DAV" as it has to install "FrontPage extenstions", so, for now user has to configure everything by himself, and that's not good. John said before 3-4 months that he is going to implement DAV to DirectAdmin, but we still don't have it...

So really we are just looking for the button in DirectAdmin for WebDav

DirectAdmin Support
01-29-2008, 12:29 AM
As it stands, DAV needs all files to be controlled and uploaded by the apache user. This is insecure, so unless anyone knows of a suid method for using DAV, it may not happen.

I still don't see what the problem with FTP is :P
The microsoft "web folders" do support FTP, just type in your ftp:// server and away you go. IMO, any file managers done through apache are not supposed to be there. It's like bringing in a live cow through the front door of a restaurant while everyone is eating. The meat should enter through a different door (kidding, but you get my point). Frontpage also supports FTP. FTP runs as the user, will not cause any permission errors, and is far more secure than having files uploaded by apache for everyone on the server.

John

nobaloney
02-08-2008, 04:27 PM
Thanks for the explanation, John. The problem, of course, is that clients want ease of use, and don't care about security.

Given what you've written, we're happy enough to tell our clients we can't run insecurely on a shared server; they can always buy a dedicated or virtual private server if they want to be insecure :).

Unless anyone proves there's a way to do it without having to upload as httpd.

:)

Jeff

cbservers
02-25-2008, 04:32 AM
Well WHM have included support for Webdav on the users Cpanel. Can you research how they have implemented it?

digi
03-04-2008, 12:01 PM
As it stands, DAV needs all files to be controlled and uploaded by the apache user. This is insecure, so unless anyone knows of a suid method for using DAV, it may not happen.

I still don't see what the problem with FTP is :P
The microsoft "web folders" do support FTP, just type in your ftp:// server and away you go. IMO, any file managers done through apache are not supposed to be there. It's like bringing in a live cow through the front door of a restaurant while everyone is eating. The meat should enter through a different door (kidding, but you get my point). Frontpage also supports FTP. FTP runs as the user, will not cause any permission errors, and is far more secure than having files uploaded by apache for everyone on the server.

John

Well, is it possible to remove the text 'Frontpage Extensions' in the control panel on user level (when using apaxhe 2.x) or find a other solution for this.

There are still questions from end users - how to enable - where it's no possible.
And, as you say, when it's EOL, why then still show it?

GXX
03-04-2008, 12:06 PM
The option to remove FP from the DA skins has been around for quite a while now:

http://www.directadmin.com/features.php?id=754

digi
03-04-2008, 12:51 PM
The option to remove FP from the DA skins has been around for quite a while now:

http://www.directadmin.com/features.php?id=754


Damm, didn't know that...

Just simply add frontpage_on=0 to /usr/local/data/directadmin/conf/directadmin.conf and restart directadmin...
Just tested, now do the other servers.... :)

Thanks.