The next step for IPv6?

Arieh

Arieh

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Today seems a good day to talk about IPv6, since it's World Ipv6 Launch. Facebook, Google, Cisco, ISPs and many others participate.

DirectAdmin already has the basics covered, but as time passes we may need to continue working to full IPv6 support. I believe a /64 for each server will be the standard. That's 18446744073709551616 IP adresses. That might seem much, see this article and this one on how that's quite relative and even necessary.

But with this number at your disposal, it seems a good practice to give each customer, or maybe even each domain its own IP address. SSL certificates would be easier to install and I'm sure there are other advantages.

I would like to know what people think on how we should take IPv6 to the next level for DirectAdmin.

I maybe would like to role it out myself in a while. Maybe the API should be used, so my own system could add a IPv6 address automatically. But at the end I would think this will be done by DA natively.
 
Doesnt matter it wont be for tons of years before anyone switches to it.
 
There won't be a switch to it, slow but steady ISPs are adding support for it. Both IPv4 and 6 will run along side in the transition period in which we already are.

It is inevitable, and its coming closer. http://www.ipv4depletion.com/?page_id=326

Asia already ran out, Europe is next in 2013 followed by US in 2014, if not sooner. Then ISPs will have to get their bag of tricks to get new customers going, but it will be a mess. IPv6 will be a priority.

Now we could use IPv6 already with DA, but why not go full into it. Use all its advantages.
 
There are already guides to using ipv6 on directadmin. What about it isnt working? I guarantee there are a ton of ipv4 ips not even being used. I have close to 600 ips on my network that I dont even use. We give each customer a /29 and I know they dont use them all. I am sure there are tons of dormant ips across the globe... ISPs are just hoarding them.
 
Last year all ipv4 addresses were assigned, I think these numbers are based on the dormant ips.

Like I said in my starting post, I'd like every customer or domain to have its own IPv6 address.
 
Yes I also said it could be done trough the api, but it would be quite some work. And if this is the direction everyone's headed, I would think this would be a standard way to go. There is a basic implementation, and I was wondering on how the full implementation would be.
 
I understand, and even agree with to a great extent, the sentiment that we should be moving forward with IPv6, the honest fact is that as long as there are many sites that can only be reached with IPv4, the ISPs who give out IPv6 will need to offer tunnels so their users can still reach those sites.

My guess is we're talking years yet, before we need full integration, and when we do we'll need a way to automatically assign IPv6 and IPv4 numbers to each site for many years.

Jeff
 
ISPs would have to be able to push both ipv4 and ipv6 to everyones modems as well so everyone has one of each type of IP. I still think it will even be +5 years before something like that happens. I still have yet to get ipv6 from my fiber providers, yet they say they are on the way.
 
I guess it really depends on your region. Here in The Netherlands things might go a bit faster then other countries. Currently cable is very popular with Docsis 3.0, giving simple home customers up to 120Mbit connections. New modems were required for this and they also support ipv6. Later this year my isp will enable ipv6, last week the first adsl provider enabled ipv6.

But I do also think it might be a while until there's a wide spread demand, I think at some point in the near future I might go ahead with the API. I maybe will have default ipv4 shared like normal, but add single ipv6's for everyone as well. SSL certificates of course would still require an own ipv4 address.
 
I think the push to the new standard will be quick because no one wants to deal with running both options. There will be a big outcry by hosting companies, search engines, clients and all web surfers for stability.

I really feel IPv6 will only take 1-2 years to be the standard and anyone running on IPv4 will be laughed at like they are using Netscape Navigator 4 still.

I'm personally going to go full on IPv6 in the beginning of 2013 and not look back. If I lose some visitors so be it but I have a feeling they'll complain to those that aren't fully supporting IPv6 not me.

Just my view.
 
Want to start playing IPv6 now? Take a look here (sixxs.net).

There's a good article here (darkreading.com) and a good slashdot discussion here (slashdot.org).

When reading the slashdot article you'll find a lot of offtopic discussion about broccoli; that's the nature of slashdot, but eventually the discussion gets back on track and makes a lot of points worth considering.

Jeff
 
My datacenter says end of the year is the goal for 100% compatbility rollout. If I did it now they'd have to use IPv6 IP pooling and charge me $25 a month. Not really yet anyways but end of year I'll really start making the big push.
 
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