IT_Architect
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AlmaLinux 8.5 has been released. I'm guessing we can't use it until DirectAdmin is ready.
AlmaLinux 8.5 has been released
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IT_Architect
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Your timing is impeccable. I was just at the point of installing DirectAdmin. I'm a FreeBSD refugee so I didn't know if that was the case with Linux.
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While I'm at it, with UNIX, like Windows, you can upgrade across major versions, e.g. FreeBSD 7 -> 8 -> 9 -> 10 -> 11 -> 12. Can you do that with any of the Linux distros?
not with every distros, and not with any programs (there a lot of distro-dependent programs).
in simplest cases - yes, you can upgrade from Centos7 to Centos 8 and then convert to Almalinux 8, or from Ubuntu 18 to 20, than to 22. But not always all will work correct after that. So better to reinstall whole OS, that's also helps to keep OS clean without old conflicting/vulnerable/less productive packets etc.
in simplest cases - yes, you can upgrade from Centos7 to Centos 8 and then convert to Almalinux 8, or from Ubuntu 18 to 20, than to 22. But not always all will work correct after that. So better to reinstall whole OS, that's also helps to keep OS clean without old conflicting/vulnerable/less productive packets etc.
ikkeben
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Other problem updating BOXES where also DA was installed on older.
That many old DA settings and confs that where at those times default, stay default when you don't change them yourself.
Where new DA installs ( on new OS versions) has often other better modern DEFAULTS
That many old DA settings and confs that where at those times default, stay default when you don't change them yourself.
Where new DA installs ( on new OS versions) has often other better modern DEFAULTS
I tried AlmaLinux but I could not find a proper documentation how to setup automated installer using kickstart. In Debian, the guide is very easy using preseed file. Sticking to Debian and never worried about other OSes until they decided to drop support like CentOS 7.
Richard G
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I'm not aware that an upgrade from Centos 7 to 8 is possible. Centos never had that option.
As far as I know at this moment only FreeBSD and Debian can do major upgrades from within the OS itself. Debian with apt-get. This will in Centos for example not work with yum. This is what I mean.
However, with a script from Alma you can now convert directly from Centos 7 or Centos 8 to Almalinux.
Neither for Centos? Because if everything is correct, you can just use the Centos procedure. I never used kickstart..
Did Debian already dropped support for Centos 7??
What I mean was, if Debian drop their own OS support like what CentOS 7 did to theirs, then I will be moving to other operating systems. I saw a post from DA staff before, that he use Debian for testing. So, probably Debian is the main OS used by DA team for testing.
Yep, now I see there is only some buggy way: https://www.tecmint.com/upgrade-centos-7-to-centos-8/
but from centos 6 to centos 7 upgrade works, my friend dit it on few servers 3-4 years ago servers was with DA too, after upgrade something need to be recompiled. I never tried it, but I saw that it was done, that's why i thought from 7 to 8 there must be upgrade too.
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Discussed before , its now possible:
From Almalinux: Easily migrate between major versions of RHEL-based distributions from 7.x to 8.x.
ELevate Your Distribution ELevate enables migration between major versions of RHEL® derivatives. Easily go from CentOS 7.x to any 8.x of your choice Major Version Upgrades It wasn't possible--until now. Easily migrate between major versions of RHEL-based...
forum.directadmin.com
For people who have doubt about Almalinux 8.5 update , al our boxes are fully updated to this version without problems
Richard G
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@Zhenyapan Thank you, hadn't seen that one before. I've searched for it when we had to go from Centos 6 to Centos 7 and did not find a reliable methode. Even most people said it could not be done via console only. Maybe because this is only possible since Centos 7. And I haven't checked anymore after that.
The question however was if upgrading major versions could be done with any of the Linux distro's. As far as I know it's not for all distro's. As far as I know it can't be done in all distro's. But now I'm not sure anymore.
Officially via yum, it wasn't possible via console only, until Centos 7, which wasn't known to me.
That's why I only mentioned Debian and FreeBSD.
However, it's not much use anymore, since Centos 8 is not going to be real Centos anymore and 7 has a more late EOL so why bother upgrading to Centos 8? Except for converting to Alma. Which indeed works good.
Yes but that was not the question. I have mentioned that script for conversion.
The question however was if upgrading major versions could be done with any of the Linux distro's. As far as I know it's not for all distro's. As far as I know it can't be done in all distro's. But now I'm not sure anymore.
Officially via yum, it wasn't possible via console only, until Centos 7, which wasn't known to me.
That's why I only mentioned Debian and FreeBSD.
However, it's not much use anymore, since Centos 8 is not going to be real Centos anymore and 7 has a more late EOL so why bother upgrading to Centos 8? Except for converting to Alma. Which indeed works good.
so the best essence is to install alma complete from fresh, is this the point?
Richard G
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That depends on how you mean this.
If you would now install fresh, you should choose the installation you want to go with in the future.
Centos 8 will become Centos stream in january, so less stable, not the best choice imho.
Centos 7 will be EOL juni 30 2024 so in a bit more than years, what would you choose afterwards? So why not use directly what you would choose?
So in the essence, but that's my opion, when installing a completely fresh server, start directly with your future plan, so for example Debian or Alma, but not Centos anymore. Because why should you? What's the benefit?
If you are already running Centos 7 or 8, you don't need to install Alma complete from fresh. The conversion works perfectly.
Again... that's my personal opion.
thank you.
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Normally converting from CentOS Steam 8.x to Almalinux 8.5 is not supported by the orginal script
There is an modified one I had found on internet (not tested) which do this : https://github.com/philrandal/almalinux-deploy/
There is an modified one I had found on internet (not tested) which do this : https://github.com/philrandal/almalinux-deploy/
Wanabo
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It's my Christmas holidays now and have time to convert my Centos 8 to Alma or Rocky. Right now I lean to Alma.
How to find out if I have centos Stream?
How to find out if I have centos Stream?
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That was my choice too. We could both be wrong, but in the overall scheme of things, Linux started out with distro for every day of the year. Today it is down to two bases, Red Hat and Debian since SUSE seems to be a niche player. Red Hat is funded and Debian is fueled by Ubuntu which is a favorite for desktops. I like the architecture of Debian better, but CENTOS owns web hosting. That drops it down to AlmaLinux and Rocky. Rocky was late to the party with no solid funding. History shows those with no solid funding fade while those with solid funding might take you places you don't want t go. So it's pick your poison, so I went with AlmaLinux as well.
Richard G
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You can check via the cat /etc/redhat-release to see what you have.
It's the other way around. Debian was there long before Ubuntu and Debian is also widely used by hosters. Since Ubuntu got popular on desktops, it's more popular amongst hosters too (more the younger hosters I believe).
But if you want to choose between Alma and Rocky, I don't know, since Alma is Cloudlinux supported, I've choosen for Alma. Not that I'm going to use Cloudlinux, but since they support it, this gives me some more trust about stability and maybe faster fixes. I could be wrong but that was my thought.
So bit of the same thought as IT_Architect has. Solid funding.
Wanabo
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# cat /etc/redhat-release
CentOS Linux release 8.5.2111
No Stream in release name, so I figure I'm good to go.
I remember I changed something in the past that made me question, but that was adding/switching to powertools.
CentOS Linux release 8.5.2111
No Stream in release name, so I figure I'm good to go.
I remember I changed something in the past that made me question, but that was adding/switching to powertools.