DA's Trustpilot needs love

boredtechie

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After using DA for 19 years, I figured I'd throw in a good review on TrustPilot (which wasn't around at the time I started using DA). Sadly they have like 3 reviews and a 3 star rating. If any of you other old dogs want to show DA some love, here's the link:


I threw in a mention of the forum members too :D
 
After using DA for 19 years, I figured I'd throw in a good review on TrustPilot (which wasn't around at the time I started using DA). Sadly they have like 3 reviews and a 3 star rating. If any of you other old dogs want to show DA some love, here's the link:


I threw in a mention of the forum members too :D
Definitely will be doing so. DA deserves it. Will post a positive review soon.
Thanks for the suggestion.
 
Oh i'll post a review all right..it will be glowing and one stars :).. :devilish:. Thanks for the idea.
 
were a scam after all.
What was scam? You could use them at least 10 years didn't you? In software land that is a lifetime.
Compare with others. In that time the 1 time fee you earned back multiple times on normal licenses, and you can even convert it to a 1/2 price modern license. There is no scam.
 
After using DA for 19 years, I figured I'd throw in a good review on TrustPilot (which wasn't around at the time I started using DA). Sadly they have like 3 reviews and a 3 star rating. If any of you other old dogs want to show DA some love, here's the link:


I threw in a mention of the forum members too :D

Thanks for the reminder..

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What was scam? You could use them at least 10 years didn't you? In software land that is a lifetime.
Compare with others. In that time the 1 time fee you earned back multiple times on normal licenses, and you can even convert it to a 1/2 price modern license. There is no scam.

I intend to live 100 years, not just 10. It was not my ideea to sell licenses "for life". Ask that marketing genius what was in his brain that sold something for life? I am in Romania, and 300 usd was a big deal for me back then. Dont try to make calculations with others money.
 
I intend to live 100 years, not just 10.
You sitll misunderstand the term "lifetime" in software. It's not human lifetime. Compare with other software. And 300 USD was also a big deal for us small hosting company's.
If lifetime should be what you say, why is php 1.0 end of life for many years? And well... you can still use your DA license, it's still working.
Just like Windows 95. Lifetime license. Windows 95 is also still working, you just don't get updates anymore. So Microsoft is also scam?
 
What was scam? You could use them at least 10 years didn't you? In software land that is a lifetime.
Compare with others. In that time the 1 time fee you earned back multiple times on normal licenses, and you can even convert it to a 1/2 price modern license. There is no scam.
Can I get some 1/2 price licences please? 🤣🤣
 
If you have some external legacy lifetime license, then yes you can. :)
Unfortunately not. I was rather late to the DA party, joining around 2019 with a shared host and going from there. I currently pay for a personal licence for my test server and 2 full licences for production servers. 😁
 
Aaah... maybe just to late then yes, they stopped selling the lifetime licenses in august or september 2019.
Yep, bit of bad luck then. 😄
But well... still a lot cheaper than the competition. ;)
Yeah I know it's a pain having to pay for these licences, but if 'im honest, as you say, it's miles cheaper from the rest and i'm really happy in the scalability, flexibility and customability of the DA system. Just a shame WHMCS is so bleedin expensive. Looking at maybe ClientExec but that's probably for another thread to discuss. All in all Richard, I really love DA and can't grumble as there's so much support here (and some of your replies are legendary!)
 
What was scam? You could use them at least 10 years didn't you? In software land that is a lifetime.
Compare with others. In that time the 1 time fee you earned back multiple times on normal licenses, and you can even convert it to a 1/2 price modern license. There is no scam.

I wholeheartedly disagree with you on this.

I don't know if you are familiar with Craftsman tools or not. They have a lifetime warranty on many of their tools. The lifetime obviously does not refer to the tool because they will replace the tools for free. It refers to the person owning the tool or perhaps the company.

I am still alive and DA is still a functioning company. I should still get everything that was sold to me under the agreement. I don't expect to get the new features. I expect to be able to continue to use what I originally bought including to continue to be able to use MySQL. But I cannot after the current version is EOL.

I will probably end up upgrading a very small few of my licenses. It's better than Cpanel. But I will never give DA 5 stars. At most I would give 2 stars.

I don't believe it was a scam. I believe they were shortsighted and now the rest of us who built businesses based on the lifetime license have to pay the price. I used to offer cheap VPSs with DirectAdmin. I cannot do that now. That business plan is now gone. How much money a business made off of that license if definitely now relevant at all.

I don't know why you defend them. You used to be as angry as me about it.
 
I wholeheartedly disagree with you on this.

I don't know if you are familiar with Craftsman tools or not.
Those are hardware things, not software, so you are making a faulty comparison. In software world it works differently. So totally not comparible.
It does not work in software land like that and you know it, there are only a very few exceptions to this.
I can easily refute all your arguments.

what I originally bought including to continue to be able to use MySQL.
Exactly where is stated in your agreement that you will get new Mysql versions every time?
MariaDB being EOL does not mean you can not still use your DA license or your mysql. And fore sure you can run with an EOL Mysql version. That it might be not that safe is a different thing.

I believe they were shortsighted
Maybe true. But 2 stars is way too less. They started at 2003 and wanted to try to give everybody as much as they could with great service. Not a single other similar company ever tried it this way, gave that service, gave temp licenses to move servers. They were the first company starting with a personal license for hobbyists which forced the other big ones to finally make something similar too. And DA was cheap and still is!!
They tried to keep it lifetime as long as they could. But at a certain point it's not possible anymore.
Your account is from 2005, so longer than mine. You think you should still complaint? With 20 years of free updates and upgrades and still no EOL?
I think you're totally unrealistic if you had that good service for 20 years and DA did so much good work to only reward that with 2 stars. That's more a reward for the competition which did way worse things.

Combine that with the fact that you think you can build a business on those promises, says more about you then about DA.
It's not wise to make a business plan this way. Every ICT guy knows software will not live forever, every ICT guy knows that you can't build anything based on that because there is always the risk a company can go broke or just stop with their businesses.
And then? Then you have servers suddenly not working anymore, even less as now. Without a backup plan? Really? Any company should know better than that.

I don't know why you defend them. You used to be as angry as me about it.
Who says I'm not agry about it? I was very angry in the beginning. We're 2 years further. Angryness is an emotion and has nothing to do with doing professional business. I used to be angry but I calmed down in that time and looked at it professionally.
So what am I? I'm still a bit dissapointed that it has to go this way.
So why do I defend them? Because I hate al the hateposts here on the forums to a couple of guys who tried to make the best for us, more like a friend way than a business way.
Did they cause a problem for being too friendly and less business like? For sure. But at least we all could profit from it for a long time.

Next to that when the anger settled down I tried to look at it professionally. And when calmed down I seen again what they did for us all those years. Even how they tried to keep the lifetime licenses alive.
But if you see the enormous flow of ex CP users which came over, once DA had to close the selling of lifetime licenses, that already instantly told me as professional businessman that they only would do that because else they could not earn enough anymore.
If you think about the thousends of licenses out there, often for free with VPS or for 5 euro/dollar month, where DA does not get any money from anymore then *any* business will go out of business after a certain time.
I know, it's their own choice and fault, but that does not mean they have to go out of business if they can't cope anymore.

As you also know, they shortly tried to keep the lifetime licenses as they were by starting to ask a support fee for new licenses and shortly had the fee if one wanted the Pro Pack. Unfortunatelly that didn't take long.
So what does that tell you? Think logically.

Also new people were hired like @fln who's doing a darn great job to make all kinds of adjustments, improvements and features. What do you think some dev like he will cost. How do you really expect DA to keep peope like that and themselves paid with lifetime licenses paid for years ago? That money is all gone.

So why do I defend them? Because they are still trying to be as friendly as possible.
Any other company (like my example vBulletin but there are many others) would have declared those licenses end of life if they felt it was destroying there company in time. What does DA do? They still try to give you as long as possible but now with new OS and new MariaDB not anymore, you will have a still working static version.
However, to still be friendly to all those people they only earned from once, they still offer the option to convert their lifetime licenses to a modern lifetime(!!) license for half the price of a normal license. Which not any other company would have offered. Any other would just have declared end of life and so end of story. Would you rather have that?

Would you rather have DA to go out of business because they have to live up to the lifetime licenses and they can't anymore? What's with your business plan then?
Or when they have to sell it for the same reason and then the new owner (most likely the cpanel owners), will either stop all lifetime licenses or also have everybody pay 250 dollar a year for support? How's your business plan then?

And that's why I defend them.
And if you only want to give them 2 stars, then that's an emotional decision, not a professional one. And if it's a professional one than sorry but in that case you're out of your mind.
It's hard for all of us, also me, but realisticly and professionally we all know nothing lasts forever.

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It does not work in software land like that and you know it
A lie is a lie regardless whether its hardware or software.

Exactly where is stated in your agreement that you will get new Mysql versions every time?
I have already been through this over and over again. They did not specifically state MySQL. They said ALL updates. That covers MySQL, exim, apache, bind, all of them. Its on archive.org and I have an email from them.

Would you rather have DA to go out of business because they have to live up to the lifetime licenses and they can't anymore?
I would have rather them started a new product and phased out the current DA. At least then they could have legitimately ended the license agreement. That may sound stupid to you but its logic, not emotion.

The DA software gets a 5 but as a company I wish I could give negative stars. As stated I will still use them but I will never relax and trust them. But they don't want my trust anyway. They just want my money.

you're out of your mind
Now who is emotional? I have never insulted you like that, at least I don't think I have. Everything I have stated is pure logic.

What's with your business plan then?
The result is the same. I had to stop offering DA.
 
Richard I understand what you are trying to say but not everybody sees it like that and there is no one right answer. I see this from a pure logic point of view. They said one thing and did another. Its that simple for me. You see it differently. Apparently we are not going to convince each other of the other's point of view. I have stated my case many times and many agree with me. Many agree with you as well. No need to make it personal and call me crazy for having my point of view.
 
I have never insulted you like that,
In our country we sometimes say that without intent to insult. But my apology's if I've offended you with that, for sure you're not crazy.
In that case I will state instead that 2 stars is no way fair if you look at it professionally.
I accept one does not want to give 5 star and everybody has it's opinion ofcourse but over those many years at least a 3 (which I also find a bitt less) is more fair.
I understand your point of view with the difference between software and company. But negative stars (if possible) would be completely unfair in my opinion, seen how they treated us over the years and service they gave us, especially with the temp licenses, always giving them out for free while it also cost them extra work. And that was never in the agreement. Neither were new features we always got.

They said one thing and did another.
Present me with a similar company with much updates who do not?
You say you look at it from a professional point of view, but make statements about things which do not occur in software land. Point me to examples then. I gave examples to build my arguments.

That may sound stupid to you but its logic, not emotion.
Well does not sound not stupid to me, but rather very odd. Because it's unneccessary as this is not the way it works with lifetime licenses in software land. Never seen any company doing it that way.

I don't see things so very differently. I just company to what I experienced in software land with other company's declaring lifetime licenses with updates and them after several years seen them being called end of life. I'm looking at how things work in software land. Compare situations with other software company's offerint lifetime licenses and how they do.
And my vbulletin example was even worse. They declared 3.8 end of life and then afterwards released 2 other 3.8.x versions which you only could get with a 4.x license. Now it really harming license holders, because they are 3.8.x versions and there we had the lifetime update for.

I understand what you say about the lifetime updates and upgrades. But the agreement says "Automatic updates/upgrades". One has to look hard and them at some place things like apache/mysql etc. is mentioned (mind.. mariadb is not mentioned). So in this context I understand and agreed already. That's what dissapoints me still that they can't keep those statements.

People can agree with you and with me, but that won't change the realistic fact that a company at a certain point must do things to survive and money made many years ago are not paying the bills nowadays anymoer. And that is something you can't disagree with me, nobody can.
It's plain realism.
 
You say you look at it from a professional point of view, but make statements about things which do not occur in software land. Point me to examples then.
I have never seen another software company offer lifetime licenses with upgrade. Maybe some have but I have never used them. The so called lifetime licenses I have used were for that version only. I have some old software that I used right now that I can continue to use as long as the OS allows it. I don't get any upgrades with it though and nor was I promised any.

I know this email doesn't say apache/mysql/exim/... But it should still support them even if I have to do the upgrade to the other software myself. So like right now I can upgrade mysql myself but DA will not let me have the update to the control panel that will support it. I am not asking for the upgrade to mysql. I am asking for the update to the panel to control mysql. Mark said I would get that. He said he could not guarantee it for future sales but the policy did not change until well after I had bought all of my lifetime licenses. I didn't rely on just what the website said. I email them to get clarification to be sure of what I was purchasing. I know its 20 years later but I was supposed to get a lot more.

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