Requested: Gentoo version

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Just to add my 2c... it's easy to install an optimised Gentoo in just a few minutes using Jackass - http://jackass.homelinux.org/.

They basically provide pre-built Gentoo installation stages for most major x86-based architectures, using GCC 3.4.3 and nptl for extra speed.

Matt
 
DA optimization my ass! You have no idea what gentoo can do to speed up your system unless you used it.

Bottom line, gentoo support needed asap. Get on the ball DA.
 
Whoa there... I like Gentoo a lot (I'm typing on it right now), but mainly because of its portage/emerge system. Yeah it is good for optimising, but the sort of optimisation you're hoping for wouldn't be stable enough on a production server.

There are of course safe optimisations that can be made in GCC flags etc, but the safe options won't have a *prolific* effect. Not to mention the fact that you can set GCC flags in other OSes e.g. FreeBSD, which is already supported by DA of course ;)

I like Gentoo, don't get me wrong, but I think the minority of Gentoo ricers might give DA a helluva support headache by using stupid GCC flags. DA itself can't be optimised as it's a binary (unless DA release arch-specific Gentoo releases *unlikely*), but I'm sure it would cause support problems.

I don't see the advantage over FreeBSD personally.

Matt
 
C'mon, can't we just wait until all current projects are stable ?!

I find Debian support to be something great (ok, haven't tried it yet), but it's clearly better maintainable than an old RH 9.0 (yeah, I know what I'm talking about).

Perhaps I'm not the most experienced Linux admin out there, but I do know everything (or close to it) I need to know for the systems I use. When looking at experience, yeah, I'm still using a Windows desktop, but I do use 3 different distro's for servers at the moment (RH 8, RH 9, Debian Sarge).

Why do we even need Gentoo support?
We've already got Debian and FreeBSD. If you are experienced enough you go to FreeBSD, otherwise you get used to apt-get and Debian ;).
Gentoo is something I find home users use as a hobby, it simply takes too long to install right.
Example:
I can do a basic Debian install in about 20 to 30 min (depends on connection speed), I don't have the time to let a system install for 6 freakin' hours.
Even not when I'm doing repairs in the datacenter when something went down. 6 hours is too much.

C'mon, hell, why not ask John to create a LFS DA version while were at it. LFS is great and rock stable (after you've spend a freakin' day compiling and configging it).

My personal opinion would be that DA should drop the new Fedora Core's, switch to that free enterprise RH system (whitebox or something) before even thinking about Gentoo. FC can be even more unstable than Gentoo...

I hope John and the rest of the DA team, will just continue to work on the existing distro's supported and work on the wishlist there ;).
 
Icheb said:
My personal opinion would be that DA should drop the new Fedora Core's, switch to that free enterprise RH system (whitebox or something) before even thinking about Gentoo. FC can be even more unstable than Gentoo...
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DA has supported both CentOS and Whitebox linux for some time now.

Jeff
 
jlasman said:
DA has supported both CentOS and Whitebox linux for some time now.

Jeff
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Ok, that was a wrong example, but I think my opinion about the matter is clear.
DA 'crew' should concentrate on the features for the lots and lots of requests on the forums instead of working and working to beat everyone in the number of supported distro's. :)
 
I think I have read one of the arguments of the gentto geeks out there is that it would speed up the donkey...

Where the hell did you find DA was slow and what do you think might speed it up ?

DA uses nearly no ressources on the system, and the things making the whole system slow are mysqld and httpd that you can tune / compile / replace on yourself.

A gentoo "hoomy lova compile you compile" version won"t speed anythin, as for the emerge stuff, you really have no need for it as DA is providing you a "ready to use " system,
all freshly compiled by the install script

And for the ones that feel like a super admin that will speed up the whole bunch by using magic gcc flags, you can always recompile the big things that might affect the system speed : httpd and mysqld.

I really need more things like the ssh jail, full system restore, mail spam and virus check, centralised dns management, and much more than one more supported distro that will slow down the release of functions because of time used to test.
(actually all the tool released by jslaman should be released by DA stuff and integrated to the panel, how comes one user has to code such important things fot a Panel ?)
 
Gentoo is not all about compiling, yes the gcc flags will make it work better.
but for me, i want a gentoo version, becouse as i see it gentoo is the best linux dist so far, the emerge tool is just GREAT, gentoos guys update portage on a daily bases not like on fedora or so, it is just a great dist, i would love to see DA for it, i own 4 servers, 3 of them runs gentoo for game servers, and 1 is fedora for DA.
 
but why do you NEED to upgade services working just fine all the time....

what do you think you will have to emerge so often that a yum or manual install would be so damn hard and difficult to use in comparaison ?

As for the "it is the best dist", for me a dist is only a kernel with some tools, wich makes them all like the same, as I don"t really use the tools like yum - emerge - apt prefering to download the tarball and compile when really needed.

As for the speed boost, I am really dubitative, at least you won't ever be able to boost directadmin as it is aldready litespeed the only eventual boost will be on httpd and mysqld and I am even more dubitative on the effects of some magic flags on their speed 'in real life'


If the request was for something really different (like it was for BSD) then I would maybe second it, here it is just imposing a waste of time to the DA staff to get a compatibility with a distrio that is fashioned today and might be obsolete in one year due to a new mega new dist having even more flags and an even more easy to use emerge like system....
 
netswitch said:
you won't ever be able to boost directadmin as it is aldready litespeed the only eventual boost will be on httpd and mysqld
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Nope; not even on those, if they're installed by DA, as DA doesn't do anything different on any one distribution than it does on another.

As far as MySQL is concerned, DA simply installs your distribution's package if it's not already installed. As far as httpd is installed, apache is installed from source by DA no matter what the distribution.

Jeff
 
Since it's been 7 months since I first started the request for a 'gentoo version quest' and since very little was put into DA, I've moved to an open-source panel which actually works!

VHCS is at vhcs.net and is open source. It works on all Linux platforms and seems to work very well for Gentoo. Anyone running gentoo, go VHCS! You wont regret it.
 
YES !

go VHCS and let the DA developping staff work on important things such as dns clustering rather than on another os support.
 
The thread starter has abandoned us, so I guess it's time to close this thread.

I'm not sure that the DA forums is a good place to discuss VHCS, but if anyone sees the need, open a thread under the "Off-Topic" forum and we'll see how it goes.

This thread is now closed.

Jeff
 
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