Goodbye, UebiMiau! Hello, RoundCube!

[RadMan]

Actually, to be very specific....as admin I want to control what the default webmail program will be, AND which of the available ones I offer to the users.

Thom

Ditto.. Software shouldn't have all kinds of email programs available for customer use..

Right now there is three of them.. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason for a user to have access to THREE email programs other than for spam purpose's..

Let the admin decide which one will be made available to his customers and let that one be the default email program for the server...

 

[floyd]

Software shouldn't have all kinds of email prgrams available for customer use

Really?? Why not??

There is ABSOLUTELY no reason for a user to have access to THREE email programs

But different users might want to use different programs. That is why a great variety of email clients are even available.

 

[tlchost]

But different users might want to use different programs. That is why a great variety of email clients are even available.

Each admin should be able to run things as he/she sees fit. I don't think users get a choice...but that's just me. You might want to let them choose from all available application, and there may be folks who want to give them a choice between two applications.

If the selection of which webmail applications can be offered is the role of the admin, then each of us can configure the system as we feel it should be.

Thom

 

[floyd]

I agree with you Thom. It certainly should be left up to the admin to decide what he wants to support.

I don't agree with the broad dogmatic statement:

Software shouldn't have all kinds of email prgrams available for customer use..
There is ABSOLUTELY no reason for a user to have access to THREE email programs other than for spam purpose's..

I have no clue what is meant by "other than for spam purpose's."

There are plenty of reasons to give users a choice. If all things were equal between two hosts except one offered 1 webmail program and the other offered 3 webmail programs which one is customer likely to choose? Even if the customer will only ever use one of them he is still likely to choose the host that offers 3 webmail programs.

I still think it is odd that we are even discussing this. Right now we can install whatever webmail program we want and include a link to it in whatever DA skin we are using. DA does not manage the webmail programs at all. It just does the initial install and provides a link to them. After that it does not touch them. Even the user doesn't necessarily benefit from DA involvement as they can bookmark the webmail program and get to it after that without ever logging into DA.

I would much rather see DA work on other stuff that users will actually use from within the control panel. Webmail is not control panel related. There are some webmail products that the users can install themselves.

This is my opinion. I could be wrong.

 

[tlchost]

I'm not really sure about that....there are different types of customers...some look for the latest and greatest applications others simply either don't care or don't know about latest and greatest, and then there are a number who while they need various types of functionality, they are very much concerned about stability and support.

I avoid customers who look for a multitude of similar offerings....just as I avoid customers who want shell access, compilers, eggdrop, etc. The support and/or security risks are simply not worth it to me.

I think you bring up a valid point...what kind of things do you think should be added to the CP or changed?

I'd like to see a super-admin(which I think of as the server/license owner)....I could be wrong, but can't one admin change what another one has done?

Thom

 

[Imtek]

I voted for RoundCube as default, drop UebiMiau.

I am running RoundCube for a while now, with UebiMiau sometimes i got complaints that the email just disapeared

UebiMiau is EOL, thats why i dont use it anymore

 

[nobaloney]

jlasman, it's okay, it has some votes, so we can leave it..

Are you sure? I've asked before, is it an RC for 0.1 or for 1.0? Their site says it's a release candidate for 0.1.

Jeff

 

[smtalk]

It's a release candidate of 0.1 And 0.1 will be stable.

 

[smtalk]

Maybe we can drop Uebimiau and replace it with its secure alternative - Telaen ( http://www.directadmin.com/forum/showthread.php?p=103530 ). Any opinions?

 

[nobaloney]

Please respond to my question in the other thread; this may be the best answer .

Jeff

 

[smtalk]

I've answered to it

 

[floyd]

Thom if that is what you choose to do then that is perfectly fine. Again I just disagree with somebody else telling me is right for my business which is what RadMan tried to do. He tried to tell me what I should and shouldn't allow or offer. But then he contradicted himself. First he said:

There is ABSOLUTELY no reason for a user to have access to THREE email programs

And then he said:

Let the admin decide

So RadMan which is it? Is there no reason to have three or are you going to let me decide if one of my customers needs three? If you are going to let me decide then that means that there may indeed be a reason to have three. Don't try to tell me what I need for my business. I know we disagree on many things but in the end it is up to each one of us to decide what is best for ourselves. Don't try to tell me that I don't have a reason for needing something in my own business.

what kind of things do you think should be added to the CP or changed?

See http://www.directadmin.com/forum/showthread.php?p=103561#post103561

 

[bithosts]

This may have already been brought up but...

In the KB there is an article that describes how to disable ubiemail or however you spell it:

http://help.directadmin.com/item.php?id=169

It tells you to edit /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf

but the file that needs editing is actually /etc/httpd/conf/extra/httpd-alias.conf

now this works fine for me, but I read somewhere else that some of these files get overwritten - does that apply to this file and if not please can someone update the KB

 

[smtalk]

No, it won't be overwritten And you need to edit /etc/httpd/conf/extra/httpd-alias.conf instead of /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf, because you are using custombuild.

 

[MaxPower]

Why is there even a thread on this topic.

If you want to change it, ssh and change it.

http://www.uhost.ca:2222
username: demo_user pass:demo

Took about 30 minutes and now my default is RoundCube.

 

[dan]

It'd be interesting to allow admins to install other webmail apps as well as the DA's defaults. For example, I would really like to use @open, but it's hard to setup, and with fear of breaking DA in the first place, makes it harder!
Would it be possible to integrate several webmail apps into DA, and let admins either pick & choose which ones they want to use on install, or install them all, enable/disable them with DA's admin panel itself, and configure the aliases in there as well?
Just a thought...

 

[floyd]

Why is there even a thread on this topic.

If you want to change it, ssh and change it.

I agree.

It'd be interesting to allow admins to install other webmail apps as well as the DA's defaults.

You already can.

with fear of breaking DA

It won't.

Would it be possible to integrate several webmail apps into DA

There are no webmail apps integrated into DA. They are all separate applications. The DA control panel simply links to those applications. DA does not in any way manage those applications.

DA can install and update some webmail applications. But this in no way inhibits an admin from installing any webmail application that the admin wants to install. Feel free to install any webmail you want.

I think we could get rid of a lot of these issues if DA did not install a webmail at all. True DA makes it easy to install some webmail apps. But is simply not what I paid for. I paid for the control panel and that is all I expect from DA.

 

[dan]

Good point there