What is the future for Legacy DirectAdmin License holders?

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floyd said:
I believe something like this was mentioned before but I don't remember if there was an answer.
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Correct. I have suggested a pause option before just like we have and can do now. Somebody else did too.
This was also one of my first suggestions in the ticket. Because 15/month is just way to expensive if one has multiple licenses. As calculated that would be a price raise from 0 to 180/year per license or 0-15/month per license. That is a lot for the little company's especially with external licences.
But that suggestion of a pause option (suspend, unsuspend license) was not accepted.
Even with the pause option for a lot of people the price raise would still be too much as this is not what lifetime licenses were intended for in the first place.
So yes there was an answer but a negative one.
 
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Please enable a license pause and I will try to start selling them again. There is no way I can sell VPS with DirectAdmin and add $29/month. I might be able to do it if I can say that its basically half off what they would normally pay. I would like to try that but I can't as it is. I have about 180 licenses. Some are being used but most are sitting idle. If I was able to sell 100 of them then that would be $1500/month for you. But I cannot even try it as it is.
 
Yes, rights makes just as much sense to me as violating agreements terms. As you can see for as far as you could proof your rights, they are willing to help you. Maybe not quite as you wanted, but lets keep it at that.

Bigger problem is the question how we all can keep using our licenses after 2026 when MariaDB 10.6 will get EOL and it might even be the case that more will be removed or unsupported from legay licenses.
That's a very valid point and discussion which will effect all of us license holders.
 
Disclosure: I am not a lifetime license holder but I am just giving a piece of my mind.

Given that DirectAdmin does not allow lifetime licenses to update to MariaDB 10.11 as of now, does not mean this will never change.
My hope is that DirectAdmin will increase the max version for MariaDB once the current max version is EOL. (But given that DirectAdmin does not communicate on this, it is a bit of hoping.)

And even if they do not do it that way, you still have MySQL. (As long as they do not change this as well.)
Given that they still provide the latest version of MySQL for lifetime licenses, I do not see a world where lifetime license holders are force to run EOL database software. (Even though changing from MariaDB to MySQL will not be without its own can of worms and issues.)

But at the end of the day, I hope DirectAdmin is going to make a statement on what is gonna happen in the next couple of months/years regarding software version upgrades and stop changing its policy right when it is gonna be implemented and start giving a heads up so that lifetime license holders can start preparing for the changes instead of the changes comming out of nowhere.
 
realcryptonight said:
And even if they do not do it that way, you still have MySQL. (As long as they do not change this as well.)
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Yes that is correct, but Mysql is not as compatible with MariaDB anymore since MariaDB 10.4. The can of worms you're talking about.
Next to that, I do have confirmation from DA that at this moment, there is no guarantee, that if Mysql 9 will be released, it will be released for legacy licences too in DA.

realcryptonight said:
I do not see a world where lifetime license holders are force to run EOL database software.
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Well I do, since both Mysql 8 and MariaDB 10.6 will go EOL in 2026. Mysql 8 even sooner (April 30th) than MariaDB 10.6 (July 6th).

DA did already made a statement. At this moment things are going to stay the same, and at this moment it's not sure if there will be more cutbacks made, depending on the stream of resources. So that's bad since there is no way to prepare to things we don't know (further cutbacks or not and which ones).

So I hope it will get known soon if Mysql 9 will be supported for legacy or not, otherwise we do have a big issue on our hands.
 
I did not see that DirectAdmin had already stated that MySQL 9 will probably not be supported for lifetime licenses. (And if that is true then DirectAdmin needs to change the policy since they are the ones forcing the users to have a semi up-to-date DirectAdmin.)
And as a side note: This also applies to the Personal licenses that are now discontinued but still allow to work as long as you pay.)

When this hole mess started at first, I was of the opinion that DirectAdmin was in the right, given that you cannot expect new features forever. (If something looks to be too good to be true then it is too good to be true.)
But when they started to also block MariaDB updates (and are probably gonna block MySQL updates as well) my opinions started to change.
Since (as far as I know) lifetime licenses where sold with the promise on software updates.
And apart from that, in what world would DirectAdmin think it is a good idea to run EOL software on the internet, where they are the ones creating software that even block manually installed updated software.

Even though I do not have legacy licenses myself, it seems that they just use it as a way to stick it to customers who do not want to pay new fees.
And it also makes me worry for when they (at some point) are gonna increase the license prices, that they will also pull this stunt for anyone who is still on the old license fee.
 
realcryptonight said:
I did not see that DirectAdmin had already stated that MySQL 9 will probably not be supported for lifetime licenses.
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They didn't, you misread my statement.
Directadmin stated that at this moment, it's not sure if MySQL 9 either will be supported or not on legacy licenses.
This was not publicly stated at the forum as far as I know, but I have specifically asked this in a ticket where I was trying to get idea's to work, to prevent expensive cost for lifetime licences. In which I also had the answer that a pause option is not accepted by DA.

Indeed legacy licenses policy is also applying to the personal as long as they are payed for, but those are very little licenses compared to the full lifetime (internal and external).

realcryptonight said:
I was of the opinion that DirectAdmin was in the right, given that you cannot expect new features forever.
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More of us were having that opinion. But we did not get the pro pack which was included in the modern licenses. So we don't get new features forever and that is indeed no problem.
But one would expect to have the promised lifetime update and upgrade for the basics we had when buying the licenses according to the license agreement at that time, also called promises.
So looking at it that way, we should have at least database upgrades and if they stop MariaDB then we should have a Mysql guarantee. But at the moment there is 0 guarantee, so no decision yet.

DA doesn't think running EOL software is a good thing. It's a resource thing, not a security thing.
Lifetime license holders mostly don't want to pay more new fee's because that's why we paid a lot more to get the lifetime with the lifetime "free".
And we do understand that this was a big mistake from DA to do it like that and lifetime will not bring in incomine anymore afterwards.
And some of us are for this reason also willing to pay a little to keep having the basic updates and upgrades, even without new features. But raising from 0 to 15/month is neither fair nore little.

There is no saying about what's going to happen at this moment. So it's a wait and see what happens which is never good for a business which must be prepared for eventual future changes they need to do.
 
Right now, I don’t think the focus is on MariaDB updates or similar changes. It seems like they're using various strategies to shift their business model and "force" all lifetime license holders to switch to monthly subscriptions.
It's really bothersome. I would have accepted it much more easily if they had announced the change honestly instead of using various traps.
 
No it's not forcing lifetime license holders. As they stated themselves, there is a lack of income mainly due to abuse and illegal reselling. Which is also why they are enforcing the rules more strict now and the MariaDB cutback is done.
 
I read almost whole thread but maybe I don't found the similar thought to mine. For now we can set mysql to no in options.conf then we can install i manually by providing rpms, so if DirectAdmin will not block this approach in the future I think that installing never version of MariaDB should be faily easy.

The bigger problems would be for other software like apache or especially PHP, but even forr this, I hope that when 2026 arises it there would be a companies who will sell extensions for outdated software like CloudLinux does now.

What are you think about this?
And I am sorry for my english but I am hoping that it is understandable.
 
Unfortunately this not the case.
DirectAdmin is checking what version you are using. (Even if it is installed by hand.)
You have no issues with MySQL since it has (not yet) a blocked version but if you try this with MariaDB 10.11 then DirectAdmin will refuse to work since the legacy license does not allow that version.
 
marson said:
then we can install i manually by providing rpms
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Additionally the reason for that is also, because the required integration for DA is already in place. Installing a database system is not a problem, it's the integration which causes the work.
 
Daniel_Dog said:
Unfortunately this not the case.
DirectAdmin is checking what version you are using. (Even if it is installed by hand.)
You have no issues with MySQL since it has (not yet) a blocked version but if you try this with MariaDB 10.11 then DirectAdmin will refuse to work since the legacy license does not allow that version.
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Thanks for the clarification, I am surprised that DA blocked this ;) I thought to do this just for curiosity in my spare time but it seems that this is pointless.
 
marson said:
I thought to do this just for curiosity in my spare time but it seems that this is pointless.
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Suppose you find a way to do it, maybe it's possible some way, but as mentioned before, you'll miss the ingetration with DA in that case. How would you fix that?
 
floyd said:
it was pointless to try it.
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As far as I understood he said that it was pointless to try install MariaDB 10.11 because that would be blocked.
But my question is, suppose it is possible, then how would he fix the integration with DA.
I don't know if that is possible with custom scripts for example.
 
Richard G said:
As far as I understood he said that it was pointless to try install MariaDB 10.11 because that would be blocked.
But my question is, suppose it is possible, then how would he fix the integration with DA.
I don't know if that is possible with custom scripts ,for example.
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No it doesn't possible to fix without access to source code.
 
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